[Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

[markw at mohawksoft.com]

> I've been playing with commercial VMs the last few days. First playing
> with Digital Ocean, then playing with Linode.
>
> I like Linode better.
>
> First, their "Debian 12" seems closer to the real Debian 12 than is
> Digital Ocean's. Also, though Linode's cheapest VM ($5/month) is a
> little more expensive than is Digital Ocean's ($4/month), it seems a
> better deal:
>
> - Twice the RAM: 1 GiB vs. 512 MiB.

Have you checked out Google Cloud? It's not bad. I use it a lot. You can
even create nested virtualization hosts running KVM.

>
> I'm annoyed that a headless machine, not running any web browsers, needs
> so much RAM, but I ran into problems with 512 MiB when just setting
> things up: running emacs, installing packages… And why does systemd
> think it needs to be a whole damn OS in and of itself? It is a pig. And
> it is complex making, it a security risk. (Yes, I blame systemd for the
> xz security breach that nearly backdoored sshd all over the internet.
> No, systemd should *not* be patching other code, certainly not sshd.
> Grrr.)

I am not a fan of systemd, at all, but I understand what they are trying
to accomplish. Its the brain-rot implementation that comes from a Windows
developer coming to UNIX.

The xz thing is totally different. That was a masterful bit of espionage.
It was two years in the making, and if we don't think this is elsewhere as
well, unrelated to systemd, then I'm sure we are kidding ourselves.
>
> - Two-and-a half times the disk: 25 GB vs 10 GB. I don't need much, but
> more is good.
>
> - Twice the data in/out budget. Not that I need much, but more is good.
>
> But mostly, I want my VM to be able to send me logwatch e-mails, and
> Digital Ocean proudly blocks outbound port 25! Linode, on the other
> hand, posts instructions for how to run an e-mail server.

https://medium.com/geekculture/how-to-host-a-personal-email-server-on-google-cloud-for-free-part-i-8124d65d1d25
>
>
> -kb, the Kent who wants to finish setting things up, and then turning
> off an old VM, before the next billing happens in a couple days.
>
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