[Discuss] Ubuntu Install Question

Thu Mar 7 15:50:03 EST 2019

That's good to hear. The parted developers certainly don't lack in
bravery or ambition when it comes to what features to try to implement
and maintain. In a different context while tracking down a bug I noticed
that parted probes filesystem superblocks checking for everything from
nilfs2 to amiga's filesystem to Apple's HFS. I'd never even heard of
nilfs. All useful features to someone I guess.

Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> writes:

> Over the years running installfests I have used a number of partitioning
> tools. Today, GPARTED is included in most Linux distros and is used by the
> installers, I generally trust both the Fedora installers (anaconda) and the
> Ubuntu installers to shrink windows partitions. In recent years I have not
> had an issue. Sometimes I may boot live USB and use gparted to resize the
> partitions. Then I run Windows to double check.
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:28 PM Mike Small <smallm at sdf.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Ivan,
>>
>> The Linux partitioning tools (that the installation programs use) claim
>> to be able to shrink existing partitions to make room for a Linux
>> partition, but I've never trusted that. Could be paranoia on my
>> part. I'd be especially careful when Windows is involved, but I have no
>> recent experience with it. If it were me I'd put Ubuntu on the 2nd drive
>> and leave Windows with what it originally had. I haven't installed
>> Ubuntu in this situation, so I don't know how much help it gives you,
>> but I believe the boot loader (Grub) has the ability to do this. Someone
>> else could give better advice here.
>>
>> As a general comment, whenever you partition, make filesystems or
>> install 2nd systems, you want to know in advance that if you make a
>> mistake what you lose is no big deal. For most people that means that
>> everything you care about (including what you didn't remember you had
>> and would care about) needs to be backed up and the back up confirmed to
>> some degree to be recoverable. Another answer I often flirt with is to
>> know in advance that I'll be able to shrug off accidents thinking,
>> "well, I didn't really need that anyway -- how many times do I need to
>> listen to Cortez the Killer or all those other old songs anyway," but
>> now that I have child photos that's a less interesting disaster recovery
>> strategy than it used to be.
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>> Ivan Klimov <iklimov87 at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Hi Mike,
>> >
>> > Thank you for the clarification.
>> >
>> > I thought of swap partition to be more for temp file storage/exchange.
>> > Thank you for introducing the concept. When you said shuffle parts of
>> > programs... I have not done it and do not envision how it is done. Maybe
>> it
>> > is an advanced concept for me;) I have installed FULL programs on
>> different
>> > partitions -never parted programs out.
>> >
>> > Do you think it is a good idea to partition 50/50 SSD where windows 10 is
>> > already installed ?.. and install Ubuntu on the second partition ? Is it
>> > safe ?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ivan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 12:10 PM Mike Small <smallm at sdf.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ivan Klimov <iklimov87 at gmail.com> writes:
>> >> ...
>> >> > Excerpt from the post:
>> >> > On this step we’ll create our custom partition layout for Ubuntu
>> 18.04.
>> >> On
>> >> > this guide will recommend that you create two partitions, one for root
>> >> and
>> >> > the other for home accounts data and a partition for swap (use a swap
>> >> > partition only if you have limited RAM resources or you use a fast
>> SSD).
>> >> >
>> >> > My thought was
>> >> > DISC C (SSD):
>> >> > Partition 0:
>> >> > Win10 : ~60 GB SSD
>> >> > Partition 1:
>> >> > UBuntu: ~ 200 GB SSD
>> >> >
>> >> > Disc D:
>> >> > Partition 2:
>> >> > 650 GB HD
>> >> > Partition 3:
>> >> > 350 GB HD
>> >> >
>> >> > home accounts data and a partition for swap (use a swap partition)
>> >> > What is swap partition ?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> A swap partition is disk space the operating system can use to
>> >> temporarily shuffle parts of programs out of the way when memory gets
>> >> low or when it can think of better ways of using memory than holding a
>> >> part of a program that isn't used much. Sometimes the OS will even swap
>> >> out whole programs when you're really pushing your memory usage.  The
>> >> suggestion used to be to make it twice the size of your RAM, but I've
>> >> seen advice more recently to cap it at some amount smaller than
>> >> that. New machines have so much ram that if you ever activated that much
>> >> swap, well the experience would not be pleasant, waiting for all that
>> >> I/O.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Any input is welcome.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not going to try to give much advice on how to lay out your
>> >> partitions, since I always regret my choices later. One nice piece of
>> >> advice I read on an openbsd mailing list once was to only create
>> >> partitions holding the space you imagine right now that you'll need. The
>> >> rest leave to create partitions with later, when you'll know what it
>> >> should be used for. This advice maybe applies more to OpenBSD since it
>> >> has no options like LVM, ZFS, or btrfs. On the other hand, maybe you
>> >> don't feel like learning how to exercise those options right now, plus
>> >> if you're splitting with Windows, something like LVM won't help you if
>> >> you wanted that space instead for Windows.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Ivan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 12:39 AM Ivan Klimov <iklimov87 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Eric,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Greatly appreciate it !
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I will refer to the guide once will have some time to go through the
>> >> >> process.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best regards,
>> >> >> Ivan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 10:39 PM Eric Luther <luther84 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I found this comprehensive and up to date walkthrough of the steps
>> >> needed
>> >> >>> which includes pictures.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://askubuntu.com/a/1031994
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 10:34 PM Ivan Klimov <iklimov87 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Eric and Greg,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Many thanks for your reply.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I went to Microcenter and grabbed $1000 machine with 6 cores (12
>> >> threads)
>> >> >>>> 16 Gb RAM SSD -- awesome specs for the money.
>> >> >>>> If someone shops for a laptop, it is good time now.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Now, I need to install Linux. The machine has 1 TB + 256 SSD (with
>> >> >>>> Win10).
>> >> >>>> Any recommendations on how to prepare for Ubuntu install ? How to
>> >> divide
>> >> >>>> HD/SSD, etc.?  I would like to make it dual-boot.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> FYI.
>> >> >>>> I clarified with my colleague and compatibility problem was with
>> the
>> >> >>>> motherboard - not the chip itself. Let's hope that this machine
>> will
>> >> not
>> >> >>>> have the same issue.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Best,
>> >> >>>> Ivan
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:47 AM Greg Rundlett (freephile) <
>> >> >>>> greg at freephile.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:58 PM Ivan Klimov <iklimov87 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >> Dear Linux Group,
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Background:
>> >> >>>> >> Friend of mine upgraded PC with new motherboard and RAM some
>> time
>> >> ago
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> >> could not install Ubuntu due to some conflicts with hardware.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> I am just about to buy a laptop with the following spec. Do you
>> see
>> >> >>>> any
>> >> >>>> >> problems/conflicts  installing Ubuntu on this machine as dual
>> boot
>> >> ?
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > You could compare details of your hardware with the official
>> >> >>>> "certified"
>> >> >>>> > hardware for Ubuntu desktops listed at
>> >> >>>> > https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >> Is
>> >> >>>> >> there a way to check it beforehand ?
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > If you can put a LIVE CD into the product, you can boot it
>> without
>> >> >>>> > installing Ubuntu.  However, I'll assume you don't have physical
>> >> >>>> access to
>> >> >>>> > the machine (ie. buying online).
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > HTH. Some others on the list have more experience with
>> >> installations,
>> >> >>>> so
>> >> >>>> > perhaps they'll offer advice too.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Greg Rundlett
>> >> >>>> > https://eQuality-Tech.com <https://equality-tech.com/>
>> >> >>>> > https://freephile.org
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
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