Home automation protocols

Tom Metro tmetro-blu-5a1Jt6qxUNc at public.gmane.org
Fri Jun 5 15:21:35 EDT 2009


Seth Gordon wrote:
> ...as long as I'm using X-10 I can't switch my lights over to CFL or
> LED bulbs.  The times I've googled around for alternatives, it seems
> that every other system is pitched to people with a lot more
> disposable income than I have.

A bit ironic the way power savings and home automaton are at odds, due 
to CFLs. Some of the lighting most suitable for automation, like outside 
porch lights, are harder to automate because of this.

Both INSTEON and Z-Wave offer light switches that internally use relays, 
and thus are non dimmable and are compatible with CFLs. I believe you 
can get X-10 relay switches too.

Despite having more licensed manufacturers, the Z-Wave components are 
generally more expensive, with a relay switch running $60 - $75 for a 
good brand, compared to about $45 for the INSTEON. You can get a Z-Wave 
relay switch from Intermatic for just under $40, but supposedly it 
doesn't send out acknowledge messages (it's speculated that this was 
done to avoid violating a patent), and users have complained about the 
quality of Intermatic components. The better quality Leviton switches 
run $70 to $80.

Aside from the cost, the downside to any of these relay switches is that 
they require a neutral feed to the switch, which is often absent in the 
wiring in old houses where they often ran the power feed to the light 
fixture, and looped the hot side over to the light switch.

(X-10 dimmer switches work around the absent neutral by leaking some 
current through the filament of the incandescent bulb when its off. 
Supposedly Z-Wave dimmers can work like this too[1], but not INSTEON.)

Although you can hang tight until LED bulbs replace CFLs, some LED bulbs 
  might incorporate switching power supplies and lead to the 
complications. And if you have a missing neutral, that will still be a 
problem with LEDs.

1. http://misterhouse.wikispaces.com/Insteon#insteon_x10_zwave_upb


Bill Bogstad wrote:
> My experience with dimmable CFLs over the last few years is that they
> fail in less time then an incandescent.

Interesting. I've never had much desire to dim CFLs, but have used a few 
dimmable bulbs to accommodate light switch circuits that use TRIACs 
(like a motion sensor light switch). I didn't have enough experience 
with them to notice any longevity differences, and eventually swapped 
out the switches, as the dimmable bulbs were too hard to find. (As the 
other poster mentioned, I think they've become more readily available now.)

  -Tom

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