List changes? Receiving messages "to" me?

[Jarod Wilson]

On Wednesday 15 August 2007 03:02:19 pm Tom Metro wrote:
> John Abreau wrote:
> > But then AOL started stripping the offender's identity, so we
> > were unable to determine who to unsubscribe.
>
> How are you receiving these notifications from AOL? As normal bounces
> sent to the envelope sender address?

http://postmaster.aol.com/

> > The changes to Mailman that now send a separate copy to each
> > subscriber were done to make it possible to unsubscribe the
> > offenders.
>
> Other Mailman lists I'm on utilize Variable Envelope Return Paths
> (VERP)[1] (as someone else mentioned), so I assume it is something
> Mailman supports.
>
> VERP is a technique where each message is sent using a unique envelope
> sender address that can be used to identify who the original recipient
> was when a bounce occurs. There is no need to modify the RFC822 headers.

VERP only helps if the message is actually bounced and you have something to 
look at. In the AOL case, I believe the user hits "this is spam" after its 
already been received -- no bounce, just a report to the AOL postmasters, who 
then do who knows what from there anymore.

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Jarod Wilson
jarod-ajLrJawYSntWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org

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