'The man who wants to take your jobs'
John Chambers
jc at trillian.mit.edu
Wed Mar 24 16:08:48 EST 2004
Josh Pollak writes:
| On Mar 23, 2004, at 2:48 PM, John Chambers wrote:
| > I've seen another cute parallel that illustrates one of the problems
| > we're facing. Some economists have pointed out that, according to the
| > standard definitions of "productivity" that we use today, the early
| > decades of the 1900's saw a huge increase in the productivity of
| > horses. That is, the amount of work divided by the number of horses
| > at work went up very rapidly.
| >
| > Did this benefit the horses? Well, not exactly ...
| >
| > This was an intro to the suggestion that what we're starting to see
| > is a similar huge increase of productivity in humans. That is, the
| > ratio of goods produced to human workers is going up rapidly. Will
| > humans benefit? Probably no more than the horses did a centry ago,
| > and for the same reason.
|
| Evidence of this happening is already present, read 'Nickel And Dimed:
| On (not) Getting By In America", by Barbara Ehrenreich,
| (http://www.nickelanddimed.net/), where she details how corporations
| demand more and more 'productivity' out of fewer and fewer workers.
| Because we have a glut of workers and fewer jobs, companies can afford
| to physically burn and wear out employees, since they are so easy to
| replace.
This isn't really the same phenomenon. What she was writing about is
employers demanding more and more work from each worker, usually in
the form of longer hours, since no productivity enhancements are
being provided. The horse comparison, and the development of robotic
factories, is something different. In this case, productivity
actually does go up, but fewer workers are needed. The tendency is to
decrease the number of workers rather than to decrease the
hours/worker, for various reasons. The tendency then is towards fewer
and fewer workers employed because they're not needed.
Of course, this does lead to Ehrenreich's situation for the remaining
workers, since they will fear being let go if they don't put in long
hours. But in some industries, the real change is the decreasing need
for workers.
An interesting aside: I've read several articles explaining the large
increase in the number of working horses in the US over the past
several decades. The reasons are complex and due to many special
conditions. But it seems that some people have taken a hard look at
the economics, and in some situations, horses turn out to be better
and/or cheaper than machinery.
One interesting case is that the growing price of many kinds of wood
have turned woodlots into profit centers for a lot of farmers. It's
difficult to harvest the high-profit trees with machinery, due to the
usually very uneven ground and the mechanical damage to younger
trees. But horses are very sure-footed on uneven ground, and they can
be used to drag logs out of a lot with minimal damage to other trees.
So a few guys with chainsaws plus a drover and horse team has become
a common way to harvest threes and get the logs out of the lot.
Similarly, a small number of humans will probably always be needed to
keep the economy running. But it may well stabilize at a rather small
percent of the population. What will happen to the rest of the
population is yet to be seen.
Maybe Wells was a prophet.
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