H1b

[paulc]

Geez!

"How's this for an ending statement"?

>this crap makes me very irritable AND it is *totally* off topic, >so why dont
>we give it a rest ?
>
>-F

paulc


> 
> From: "Federico Lucifredi" <flucifredi at acm.org>
> Date: 2003/06/06 Fri AM 12:45:51 EDT
> To: <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: H1b
> 
> Dear BLU,
> 
> > >I've worked alongside a number of immigrants and found that they simply
> take
> > >advantage of whatever opportunity is presented.  Some are competent, some
> > >aren't:  it varies just like everyone else.  [..snap!...]
> 
> I appreciate the balanced and economics-aware point of view of this one.
> However, more "I got the right answer here" points of view are doomed to
> appear, as the *obscene* one following:
> 
> > off-shore, we need to have a "if you want to sell here, you have to
> > employ from here" trade policy.  Corporations can move off-shore but
> > then they can't make money off the 300M people in the U.S.
> 
> Ok. Where do I start ? Perhaps if your middle initial is not 'W' you know
> that the other sovereign states of the world are going to *demand* exactly
> the same. We call the barriers that arise when someone does what you
> suggested "protectionism" and an impediment to Free Trade. Of course, Free
> Trade is good when it is your goods that are being freely traded, and not
> others, as in the case of Steel, where the Free-Trade-toting US tried to
> impose protectionistic quotas to (guess?) save companies and jobs on the
> inside.
> 
> Stop whining, in Europe the level of unemployment the US has right now would
> be considered good, in South America (in "Free Trade" mode) it would be
> considered outstanding. Now explain to me why would someone abroad buy US
> goods when they can just slap the condition you mentioned above that "it's
> gotta be made *here*, or at least you must employ, dunno, at least one
> Scottish "clan" ;-)  to be able to sell x goods in Scotland, two clans if
> your selling more, three clans if you are selling thrice that, and so on.
> 
>  There are millions of people out there dying of famine, and the US is the
> place where people (on average) have the most (materially speaking). Wanna
> complain ? Move to Buenos Aires, and I will be glad to introduce you to 30%
> unemployment - this while the White House keeps telling the Argentine
> government that the most important thing is, lest not forget, Free Trade.
> 
> I am not an H1, before you wonder, and I lived both in South America, Europe
> and the US for extensive periods of time, I have the passports of two
> countries in the areas mentioned, and perhaps because I am so cosmopolitan,
> I am revolted by these outbursts of xenofobia of "H1B's *stealing* jobs from
> veterans" or "ya gotta employ here" bull. This is the country that felt it
> perfectly appropriate to send a fleet of dreadnaughts into the bay of Tokio
> with the message, "you trade with us or we shoot" in the name of "Free
> Trade" - something that is otrageous enough without the notion that, all of
> a sudden, it is OK to be protectionistic when it is American jobs that are
> lost.
> 
> 
> this crap makes me very irritable AND it is *totally* off topic, so why dont
> we give it a rest ?
> 
> -F
> 
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